How would one use Lucene.NET to help implement search on a site like Stack Overflow?

How would one use Lucene.NET to help implement search on a site like Stack Overflow?

I've asked a simlar question on Meta Stack Overflow, but that deals specifically with whether or not Lucene.NET is used on Stack Overflow.

The purpose of the question here is more of a hypotetical, as to what approaches one would make if they were to use Lucene.NET as a basis for in-site search and other factors in a site like Stack Overflow [SO].

As per the entry on the Stack Overflow blog titled "SQL 2008 Full-Text Search Problems" there was a strong indication that Lucene.NET was being considered at some point, but it appears that is definitely not the case, as per the comment by Geoff Dalgas on February 19th 2010:

Lucene.NET is not being used for Stack Overflow - we are using SQL Server Full Text indexing. Search is an area where we continue to make minor tweaks.

So my question is, how would one utilize Lucene.NET into a site which has the same semantics of Stack Overflow?

Here is some background and what I've done/thought about so far (yes, I've been implementing most of this and search is the last aspect I have to complete):

Technologies:

• ASP.NET MVC
• SQL Server 2008
• .NET 3.5
• C# 3.0

And of course, the star of the show, Lucene.NET.

The intention is also to move to .NET/C# 4.0 ASAP. While I don't think it's a game-changer, it should be noted.

Before getting into aspects of Lucene.NET, it's important to point out the SQL Server 2008 aspects of it, as well as the models involved.

Models

This system has more than one primary model type in comparison to Stack Overflow. Some examples of these models are:

• Questions: These are questions that people can ask. People can reply to questions, just like on Stack Overflow.
• Notes: These are one-way projections, so as opposed to a question, you are making a statement about content. People can't post replies to this.
• Events: This is data about a real-time event. It has location information, date/time information.

The important thing to note about these models:

• They all have a Name/Title (text) property and a Body (HTML) property (the formats are irrelevant, as the content will be parsed appropriately for analysis).
• Every instance of a model has a unique URL on the site

Then there are the things that Stack Overflow provides which IMO, are decorators to the models. These decorators can have different cardinalities, either being one-to-one or one-to-many:

• Votes: Keyed on the user
• Replies: Optional, as an example, see the Notes case above
• Favorited: Is the model listed as a favorite of a user?
• Comments: (optional)
• Tag Associations: Tags are in a separate table, so as not to replicate the tag for each model. There is a link between the model and the tag associations table, and then from the tag associations table to the tags table.

And there are supporting tallies which in themselves are one-to-one decorators to the models that are keyed to them in the same way (usually by a model id type and the model id):

• Vote tallies: Total postive, negative votes, Wilson Score interval (this is important, it's going to determine the confidence level based on votes for an entry, for the most part, assume the lower bound of the Wilson interval).

Replies (answers) are models that have most of the decorators that most models have, they just don't have a title or url, and whether or not a model has a reply is optional. If replies are allowed, it is of course a one-to-many relationship.

SQL Server 2008

The tables pretty much follow the layout of the models above, with separate tables for the decorators, as well as some supporting tables and views, stored procedures, etc.

It should be noted that the decision to not use full-text search is based primarily on the fact that it doesn't normalize scores like Lucene.NET. I'm open to suggestions on how to utilize text-based search, but I will have to perform searches across multiple model types, so keep in mind I'm going to need to normalize the score somehow.

Lucene.NET

This is where the big question mark is. Here are my thoughts so far on Stack Overflow functionality as well as how and what I've already done.

Indexing

Questions/Models

I believe each model should have an index of its own containing a unique id to quickly look it up based on a Term instance of that id (indexed, not analyzed).

In this area, I've considered having Lucene.NET analyze each question/model and each reply individually. So if there was one question and five answers, the question and each of the answers would be indexed as one unit separately.

The idea here is that the relevance score that Lucene.NET returns would be easier to compare between models that project in different ways (say, something without replies).

As an example, a question sets the subject, and then the answer elaborates on the subject.

For a note, which doesn't have replies, it handles the matter of presenting the subject and then elaborating on it.

I believe that this will help with making the relevance scores more relevant to each other.

Tags

Initially, I thought that these should be kept in a separate index with multiple fields which have the ids to the documents in the appropriate model index. Or, if that's too large, there is an index with just the tags and another index which maintains the relationship between the tags index and the questions they are applied to. This way, when you click on a tag (or use the URL structure), it's easy to see in a progressive manner that you only have to "buy into" if you succeed:

• If the tag exists
• Which questions the tags are associated with
• The questions themselves

However, in practice, doing a query of all items based on tags (like clicking on a tag in Stack Overflow) is extremely easy with SQL Server 2008. Based on the model above, it simply requires a query such as:

select       m.Name, m.Body  from      Models as m          left outer join TagAssociations as ta on              ta.ModelTypeId =  and              ta.ModelId = m.Id          left outer join Tags as t on t.Id = ta.TagId  where      t.Name =   

And since certain properties are shared across all models, it's easy enough to do a UNION between different model types/tables and produce a consistent set of results.

This would be analagous to a TermQuery in Lucene.NET (I'm referencing the Java documentation since it's comprehensive, and Lucene.NET is meant to be a line-by-line translation of Lucene, so all the documentation is the same).

The issue that comes up with using Lucene.NET here is that of sort order. The relevance score for a TermQuery when it comes to tags is irrelevant. It's either 1 or 0 (it either has it or it doesn't).

At this point, the confidence score (Wilson score interval) comes into play for ordering the results.

This score could be stored in Lucene.NET, but in order to sort the results on this field, it would rely on the values being stored in the field cache, which is something I really, really want to avoid. For a large number of documents, the field cache can grow very large (the Wilson score is a double, and you would need one double for every document, that can be one large array).

Given that I can change the SQL statement to order based on the Wilson score interval like this:

select       m.Name, m.Body  from      Models as m          left outer join TagAssociations as ta on              ta.ModelTypeId =  and              ta.ModelId = m.Id          left outer join Tags as t on t.Id = ta.TagId          left outer join VoteTallyStatistics as s on              s.ModelTypeId = ta.ModelTypeId and              s.ModelId = ta.ModelId  where      t.Name =   order by      --- Use Id to break ties.      s.WilsonIntervalLowerBound desc, m.Id  

It seems like an easy choice to use this to handle the piece of Stack Overflow functionality "get all items tagged with ".

Replies

Originally, I thought this is in a separate index of its own, with a key back into the Questions index.

I think that there should be a combination of each model and each reply (if there is one) so that relevance scores across different models are more "equal" when compared to each other.

This would of course bloat the index. I'm somewhat comfortable with that right now.

Or, is there a way to store say, the models and replies as individual documents in Lucene.NET and then take both and be able to get the relevance score for a query treating both documents as one? If so, then this would be ideal.

There is of course the question of what fields would be stored, indexed, analyzed (all operations can be separate operations, or mix-and-matched)? Just how much would one index?

What about using special stemmers/porters for spelling mistakes (using Metaphone) as well as synonyms (there is terminology in the community I will service which has it's own slang/terminology for certain things which has multiple representations)?

Boost

This is related to indexing of course, but I think it merits it's own section.

Are you boosting fields and/or documents? If so, how do you boost them? Is the boost constant for certain fields? Or is it recalculated for fields where vote/view/favorite/external data is applicable.

For example, in the document, does the title get a boost over the body? If so, what boost factors do you think work well? What about tags?

The thinking here is the same as it is along the lines of Stack Overflow. Terms in the document have relevance, but if a document is tagged with the term, or it is in the title, then it should be boosted.

Shashikant Kore suggests a document structure like this:

• Title
• Question
• Accepted Answer (Or highly voted answer if there is no accepted answer)
• All answers combined

And then using boost but not based on the raw vote value. I believe I have that covered with the Wilson Score interval.

The question is, should the boost be applied to the entire document? I'm leaning towards no on this one, because it would mean I'd have to reindex the document each time a user voted on the model.

Search for Items Tagged

I originally thought that when querying for a tag (by specifically clicking on one or using the URL structure for looking up tagged content), that's a simple TermQuery against the tag index for the tag, then in the associations index (if necessary) then back to questions, Lucene.NET handles this really quickly.

However, given the notes above regarding how easy it is to do this in SQL Server, I've opted for that route when it comes to searching tagged items.

General Search

So now, the most outstanding question is when doing a general phrase or term search against content, what and how do you integrate other information (such as votes) in order to determine the results in the proper order? For example, when performing this search on ASP.NET MVC on Stack Overflow, these are the tallies for the top five results (when using the relevance tab):

    q votes answers accepted answer votes asp.net highlights mvc highlights      ------- ------- --------------------- ------------------ --------------           21      26                    51                  2              2           58      23                    70                  2              5           29      24                    40                  3              4           37      15                    25                  1              2           59      23                    47                  2              2  

Note that the highlights are only in the title and abstract on the results page and are only minor indicators as to what the true term frequency is in the document, title, tag, reply (however they are applied, which is another good question).

How is all of this brought together?

At this point, I know that Lucene.NET will return a normalized relevance score, and the vote data will give me a Wilson score interval which I can use to determine the confidence score.

How should I look at combining tese two scores to indicate the sort order of the result set based on relevance and confidence?

It is obvious to me that there should be some relationship between the two, but what that relationship should be evades me at this point. I know I have to refine it as time goes on, but I'm really lost on this part.

My initial thoughts are if the relevance score is beween 0 and 1 and the confidence score is between 0 and 1, then I could do something like this:

1 / ((e ^ cs) * (e ^ rs))  

This way, one gets a normalized value that approaches 0 the more relevant and confident the result is, and it can be sorted on that.

The main issue with that is that if boosting is performed on the tag and or title field, then the relevance score is outside the bounds of 0 to 1 (the upper end becomes unbounded then, and I don't know how to deal with that).

Also, I believe I will have to adjust the confidence score to account for vote tallies that are completely negative. Since vote tallies that are completely negative result in a Wilson score interval with a lower bound of 0, something with -500 votes has the same confidence score as something with -1 vote, or 0 votes.

Fortunately, the upper bound decreases from 1 to 0 as negative vote tallies go up. I could change the confidence score to be a range from -1 to 1, like so:

confidence score = votetally < 0 ?       -(1 - wilson score interval upper bound) :      wilson score interval lower bound  

The problem with this is that plugging in 0 into the equation will rank all of the items with zero votes below those with negative vote tallies.

To that end, I'm thinking if the confidence score is going to be used in a reciprocal equation like above (I'm concerned about overflow obviously), then it needs to be reworked to always be positive. One way of achieving this is:

confidence score = 0.5 +       (votetally < 0 ?           -(1 - wilson score interval upper bound) :          wilson score interval lower bound) / 2  

My other concerns are how to actually perform the calculation given Lucene.NET and SQL Server. I'm hesitant to put the confidence score in the Lucene index because it requires use of the field cache, which can have a huge impact on memory consumption (as mentioned before).

An idea I had was to get the relevance score from Lucene.NET and then using a table-valued parameter to stream the score to SQL Server (along with the ids of the items to select), at which point I'd perform the calculation with the confidence score and then return the data properly ordred.

As stated before, there are a lot of other questions I have about this, and the answers have started to frame things, and will continue to expand upon things as the question and answers evovled.

Answer by Paul for How would one use Lucene.NET to help implement search on a site like Stack Overflow?

You've probably done more thinking on this subject than most folks who will try and answer you (part of the reason why it's been a day and I'm your first response, I'd imagine). I'm just going to try and tackle your final three questions, b/c there's just a lot there that I don't have time to go into, and I think those three are the most interesting (the physical implementation questions are probably going to wind up being 'pick something, and then tweak it as you learn more').

vote data Not sure that votes make something more relevant to a search, frankly, just makes them more popular. If that makes sense, I'm trying to say that whether a given post is relevant to your question is mostly independant of whether it was relevant to other people. that said, there's probably at least a weak correlation between interesting questions and those that folks would want to find. Vote data is probably most useful in doing searches based purely on data, e.g. "most popular" type searches. In generic text-based searches, I'd probably not provide any weight for votes at first, but would consider working on an algorithm that perhaps provides a slight weight for the sorting (so, not the results returned, but minor boost to the ordering of them).

replies I'd agree w/ your approach here, subject to some testing; remember that this is going to have to be an iterative process based on user feedback (so you'll need to collect metrics on whether searches returned successful results for the searcher)

other Don't forget the user's score also. So, users get points on SO also, and that influences their default rank in the answers of each question they answer (looks like it's mostly for tiebreaking on replies that have the same number of bumps)

Answer by Epsilon Prime for How would one use Lucene.NET to help implement search on a site like Stack Overflow?

Determining relevance is always tricky. You need to figure out what you're trying to accomplish. Is your search trying to provide an exact match for a problem someone might have or is it trying to provide a list of recent items on a topic?

Once you've figured what you want to return you can look at the relative effect of each feature you're indexing. That will get a rough search going. From there you tweak based on user feedback (I suggest using implicit feedback instead of explicit otherwise you'll annoy the user).

As to indexing, you should try to put the data in so that each item has all the information necessary to rank it. This means you'll need to grab the data from a number of locations to build it up. Some indexing systems have the capability to add values to existing items which would make it easy to add scores to questions when subsequent answers came in. Simplicity would just have you rebuild the question every so often.

Answer by Mike Glenn for How would one use Lucene.NET to help implement search on a site like Stack Overflow?

The answers you are looking for really can not be found using lucene alone. You need ranking and grouping algorithms to filter and understand the data and how it relates. Lucene can help you get normalized data, but you need the right algorithm after that.

I would recommend you check out one or all of the following books, they will help you with the math and get you pointed in the right direction:

Algorithms of the Intelligent Web

Collective Intelligence in Action

Programming Collective Intelligence

Answer by Yuki for How would one use Lucene.NET to help implement search on a site like Stack Overflow?

I think that Lucene is not good for this job. You need something really fast with high availbility... like SQL But you want open source?

I would suggest you use Sphinx - http://www.sphinxsearch.com/ It's much better, and i am speaking with experience, i used them both.

Sphinx is amazing. Really is.

Answer by Shashikant Kore for How would one use Lucene.NET to help implement search on a site like Stack Overflow?

The lucene index will have following fields :

• Title
• Question
• Accepted Answer (Or highly voted answer if there is no accepted answer)
• All answers combined

All these are fields are Analyzed. Length normalization is disabled to get better control on the scoring.

The aforementioned order of the fields also reflect their importance in descending order. That is if the query match in title is more important than in accepted answer, everything else remaining same.

The # of upvotes is for the question and the top answer can be captured by boosting those fields. But, the raw upvote count cannot be used as boost values as it could skew results dramatically. (A question with 4 upvotes will get twice the score of one with 2 upvotes.) These values need to be dampened aggressively before they could be used as boost factor. Using something natural logarithm (for upvotes >3) looks good.

Title can be boosted by a value little higher than that of the question.

Though inter-linking of questions is not very common, having a basic pagerank-like weight for a question could throw up some interesting results.

I do not consider tags of the question as very valuable information for search. Tags are nice when you just want to browse the questions. Most of the time, tags are part of the text, so search for the tags will result match the question. This is open to discussion, though.

A typical search query will be performed on all the four fields.

+(title:query question:query accepted_answer:query all_combined:query)  

This is a broad sketch and will require significant tuning to arrive at right boost values and right weights for queries, if required. Experiementation will show the right weights for the two dimensions of quality - relevance and importance. You can make things complicated by introducing recency as aranking parameter. The idea here is, if a problem occurs in a particular version of the product and is fixed in later revisions, the new questions could be more useful to the user.

Some interesting twists to search could be added. Some form of basic synonym search could be helpful if only a "few" matching results are found. For example, "descrease java heap size" is same as "reduce java heap size." But, then, it will also mean "map reduce" will start matching "map decrease." (Spell checker is obvious, but I suppose, programmers would spell their queries correctly.)

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